(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:1.4]CA[UTF-8]ST[2]
PW[Bashan]WR[13k]
PB[Ersatz888]BR[15k]
DT[2004-10-17]
PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http\://kgs.kiseido.com/]
TM[1800.0]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
HA[2]
KM[0.5]
RE[B+56.50]
AN[grendel [9k?\] and some by thewall [10k\]]
RU[Japanese]
AB[pd][dp]
GC[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: hi
Bashan [13k\]\: hello
Bashan [13k\]\: Why did you choose this name?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: long story
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: needed a name on Yahoo
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: opened dictionary
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: actuaoly thats not so long

Bashan [13k\]\: Question\: can I post our game under http\://senseis.xmp.net/?CommentedGames ?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: sure
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: Im honored to go down in go history
Bashan [13k\]\: as victorious \:-)
grendel [9k?\]\: I hope people agree with my comments \:)]
C[












]
;W[pp]CR[pp]WL[1274.4];B[dc]CR[dc]BL[1278.3];W[ce]CR[ce]WL[1262.2];B[fd]
CR[fd]BL[1272.6];W[dh]CR[dh]WL[1257.5];B[nq]CR[nq]BL[1243.8];W[qn]CR[qn]
WL[1236.9];B[jq]CR[jq]BL[1235.9]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: Ersatz - this four space jump is too far
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I always do it
grendel [9k?\]\: you can get away with it if it was on K4
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: habitually
grendel [9k?\]\: and it's not a good habit \:)
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: its a standard move i think
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: 5 lines on the 3rd line
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: really gren
grendel [9k?\]\: I'm not saying it can't work, but it's vulnerable to being split
grendel [9k?\]\: there are times to use it
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i dont mind the split
grendel [9k?\]\: ok
Bashan [13k\]\: re K3 see http\://senseis.xmp.net/?Extension
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: what do they say?
Bashan [13k\]\: number of stones = spaces in between
Bashan [13k\]\: ideally
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: good? bad?
grendel [9k?\]\: it has some advantages
grendel [9k?\]\: and one glaring disadvantage, the split
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: well at this stage
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: its working for me
]
BM[1];W[kc]CR[kc]WL[1207.0];B[ic]CR[ic]BL[1226.5];W[nc]CR[nc]WL[1203.3];B[pf]
CR[pf]BL[1217.9];W[qh]WL[1182.8]TR[pd][pf]SQ[nc][qh]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: black needs to move his corner group out into the center
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: depending on what else is nearby of course
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i didnt like the corner invasion here
grendel [9k?\]\: the ikken-tobi shimari (triangle stones) is vulnerable to being undercut
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: yes
grendel [9k?\]\: and the two square stones really limit it's chance to spread
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i dont usuallt play that
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: now I see why
grendel [9k?\]\: no, it can be very good
grendel [9k?\]\: you just have to learn how to use it
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: yes, in another circumstance
grendel [9k?\]\: as I was saying, this is ok for black
Bashan [13k\]\: g\: if they don't they will post it
grendel [9k?\]\: as long as you move into the center, and not let yourself be sealed in
]
;B[qj]CR[qj]BL[1209.5];W[oh]CR[oh]WL[1138.3];B[oj]CR[oj]BL[1192.7];W[mh]
CR[mh]WL[1114.1]
(;B[dj]CR[dj]BL[1185.4];W[cl]CR[cl]WL[1091.0];B[cn]CR[cn]BL[1180.8];W[el]
CR[el]WL[1084.9]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: interesting board we're making here
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: never seen this before
Bashan [13k\]\: well, there are zillions of different games 
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: for sure
Bashan [13k\]\: but i'm not sure if this one's so good for me
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: dont worry
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: Ill crumble in the middle game
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I thought the early board was very very interesting
]
;B[fj]CR[fj]BL[1165.4];W[ej]CR[ej]WL[1012.6];B[ei]CR[ei]BL[1146.0]
(;W[cj]CR[cj]WL[1006.1]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I was just going to say no fighting
Bashan [13k\]\: why not?
Bashan [13k\]\: are you a pacifist?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: no
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: haha
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I meant that there had been no fighting
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: which was what made the board unusual
Bashan [13k\]\: oh i see!
]
;B[ek]CR[ek]BL[1105.8]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: I didn't like this exchange for white
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: yea
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I wondered why......
Bashan [13k\]\: i wanted to keep my group together
grendel [9k?\]\: staying connected is important
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: true you got side terr from it
grendel [9k?\]\: but black gets a bunch of central influence
(see 25A) ]
;W[ck]CR[ck]WL[991.3];B[fh]CR[fh]BL[1098.2];W[ef]CR[ef]WL[980.4];B[ff]CR[ff]
BL[1093.9];W[fq]CR[fq]WL[968.7];B[eq]CR[eq]BL[1083.8]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: And Ersatz!
grendel [9k?\]\: GOOD!
grendel [9k?\]\: You finally played the diagonal extension at the right time \:D
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: master approves
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: just kidding
]
;W[fp]CR[fp]WL[957.6]
(;B[gq]CR[gq]BL[1073.5]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: that wasnt so good
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: right?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: the only thing I hoped for
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: was to connect under
grendel [9k?\]\: can't happen with the F4 stone in place
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: yea

(see 34A)
]
;W[gr]CR[gr]WL[945.6];B[hq]CR[hq]BL[1069.1];W[er]CR[er]WL[936.1];B[dr]CR[dr]
BL[1065.6];W[ep]CR[ep]WL[934.6];B[dq]CR[dq]BL[1064.1];W[do]CR[do]WL[925.9]
;B[co]CR[co]BL[1061.0]
(;W[dm]CR[dm]WL[910.4]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: this looked strange to me, Bashan
Bashan [13k\]\: yes
grendel [9k?\]\: why did you play this instead of D6?
Bashan [13k\]\: i was afraid of D8 
Bashan [13k\]\: i was happy that ersatz didn't catch it
grendel [9k?\]\: well, it's a small move for black
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: it was tempting
]
BM[1]
(;B[ql]CR[ql]BL[1013.3]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: was there a chance for me to kill this group?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: looks killable as stands
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: maybe not?
grendel [9k?\]\: with your stones on the 12'th line being without a base, and the black influence on the left and bottom, I don't think so
grendel [9k?\]\: you could push on it, but not kill it, I'd say
Bashan [13k\]\: ok
grendel [9k?\]\: I could be wrong, but I think it can live
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]WL[894.2]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: good idea to tenuki
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: thanks but
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i wimped out
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i woulda played that spot you just took
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: but Grendel is watching
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: and would give me hell
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: 'that hurt
Bashan [13k\]\: it's a pity we can't hear what kibitzes says

Ersatz888 [15k\]\: Gren
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: what about r17 for b
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: settle corner
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I hate to say this
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: but I woulda done it if you werent watching
grendel [9k?\]\: Actually, I would have recommended Q17, not R17
grendel [9k?\]\: but moving into the center is more important
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: does q17 prevent a 33 invasion?
grendel [9k?\]\: yep
Bashan [13k\]\: how about P17?
grendel [9k?\]\: P17 does not
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: you can still invade 33
Bashan [13k\]\: ok, forgot the proverb\: 33 lives always
grendel [9k?\]\: not always, but often

]
;B[pc]CR[pc]BL[947.8]TR[pf]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: ok, there were some important mistakes made here
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: gren
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: what about s7
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: instead of r8?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: just curious

grendel [9k?\]\: Bashan, because of this stone (triangle), you have to sagari - play towards the edge first
(see 47A; see http\://senseis.xmp.net/?Sagari)]
(;W[qd]CR[qd]WL[873.7];B[qe]CR[qe]BL[945.8];W[pb]CR[pb]WL[865.2];B[ob]CR[ob]
BL[941.0];W[qb]CR[qb]WL[859.7];B[oc]CR[oc]BL[933.6];W[nb]CR[nb]WL[846.2]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: now, black is about to make a very important mistake
grendel [9k?\]\: can you guess what?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: p19?
grendel [9k?\]\: not playing P19
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: are you saying b coulve killed w qith p19?
grendel [9k?\]\: I'm pretty sure
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: lets see that then

(see 54A)
]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]BL[930.0]BM[2];W[md]CR[md]WL[837.6];B[ne]CR[ne]BL[924.2];W[me]
CR[me]WL[819.5];B[nf]CR[nf]BL[917.1];W[oa]CR[oa]WL[818.5];B[rd]CR[rd]BL[913.7]
;W[rc]CR[rc]WL[796.1];B[sd]CR[sd]BL[903.8];W[rf]CR[rf]WL[794.7];B[qf]CR[qf]
BL[898.5];W[qg]CR[qg]WL[788.5];B[oe]CR[oe]BL[895.4];W[og]CR[og]WL[770.8]
;B[of]CR[of]BL[890.5];W[mf]CR[mf]WL[753.7];B[re]CR[re]BL[883.4]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: saving the S16 stones was very small
]BM[1];W[mj]CR[mj]
WL[709.1]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: this was very good, Bashan - push on black's weak group
grendel [9k?\]\: push on the weak group, build influence
Bashan [13k\]\: OK, thx

]
TE[1];B[nk]CR[nk]BL[874.1];W[mk]CR[mk]WL[697.7];B[ml]CR[ml]BL[871.9];W[nl]
CR[nl]WL[684.4]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: the cut is too soon, though, as you saw
]BM[1];B[nm]CR[nm]
BL[857.5];W[ol]CR[ol]WL[683.2];B[om]CR[om]BL[855.2];W[mn]CR[mn]WL[590.4]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: this is a raw peep
grendel [9k?\]\: there are times when a peep is very useful
(see next move)

Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I thought Bashan did a good job of coming out here
grendel [9k?\]\: and, black didn't need to answer it
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: how would it look if i didnt?
(see 80A)]
BM[1]
(;B[mm]CR[mm]BL[851.0]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: but, Bashan, you cause black to connect, then you ignore the stone
]
;W[lq]CR[lq]WL[579.7];B[lr]CR[lr]BL[842.4]
(;W[np]CR[np]WL[563.6];B[mq]CR[mq]BL[839.2];W[mp]CR[mp]WL[562.4]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: this just feels too soft to me
grendel [9k?\]\: esp. since white is behind
(See 83A)
]
BM[1];B[lp]CR[lp]BL[822.3];W[lo]CR[lo]WL[560.0];B[kq]CR[kq]BL[820.1];W[oq]
CR[oq]WL[553.6];B[or]CR[or]BL[817.9]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: Ersatz - this is a gote move
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i didnt like it
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: what woulda been better?
(See 92)
]
BM[1];W[pr]CR[pr]WL[550.3];B[nr]CR[jn][nr]BL[814.6]TR[cc][je][ig][ii]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: actually, you can still invade from here
grendel [9k?\]\: because you have the peep
(see 94A)
grendel [9k?\]\: these (triangles) would be much bigger moves
Bashan [13k\]\: B did a good job at getting those points eventually.
Bashan [13k\]\: how about K6 (circle)?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: came in the back door
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: anyhow
grendel [9k?\]\: I don't think so, because white has the influence on the left to reduce
grendel [9k?\]\: I just don't see much territory developing on the bottom center
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i did lose alot of terr on bottom centre
grendel [9k?\]\: no, er, there isn't a lot of territory on the bottom
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: before n6 there mighta been
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: also
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: cuz it solidified his corner for him
]
(;W[ko]CR[ko]WL[527.3]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: I'm thinking this is too small as well
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: w mighta played out into the centre sooner
grendel [9k?\]\: yeah, white needed to
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: look at the wall on the N line
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: never was exploited
]
BM[1]
(;B[cd]CR[cd]BL[811.8]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: big move!
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: one hopes
]TE[1];W[de]CR[de]
WL[483.7];B[bd]CR[bd]BL[805.6];W[be]CR[be]WL[469.7];B[jd]CR[jd]BL[753.0]
;W[jc]CR[jc]WL[434.2]
(;B[id]CR[id]BL[739.8];W[dn]CR[dn]WL[427.5];B[ho]CR[ho]BL[734.9];W[ip]CR[ip]
WL[407.5];B[hp]CR[hp]BL[731.5];W[iq]CR[iq]WL[400.7];B[ir]CR[ir]BL[725.3]
;W[io]CR[io]WL[395.2];B[hr]CR[hr]BL[723.2];W[hn]CR[hn]WL[381.3];B[fl]CR[fl]
BL[713.1];W[fm]CR[fm]WL[373.5];B[gl]CR[gl]BL[711.1];W[gn]CR[gn]WL[363.0]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: i liked this move
grendel [9k?\]\: this was good
grendel [9k?\]\: Ersatz, I wanted to point out that your follow up moves were slow
Bashan [13k\]\: but he made nice territory
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: that was the point
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: well how else to do it?
(see 114A)
]
TE[1]
(;B[il]CR[il]BL[703.7]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: its still quite a ways off
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: fortunately Bashan is a nice guy
(see variations for what Bashan could have done)]
(;W[kl]CR[kl]WL[355.6];B[jk]CR[jk]BL[701.2];W[jl]CR[jl]WL[337.9];B[ji]CR[ji]
BL[686.0];W[jg]CR[jg]WL[308.3];B[ig]CR[ig]BL[682.7];W[jf]CR[jf]WL[263.8]
;B[if]CR[if]BL[680.1];W[im]CR[im]WL[260.2];B[hl]CR[hl]BL[674.1];W[kk]CR[kk]
WL[229.1];B[kj]CR[kj]BL[669.1];W[rm]CR[rm]WL[203.3]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: grrrrr
Bashan [13k\]\: don't worry, i think you'll live]
;B[rl]CR[rl]BL[646.0];W[ri]CR[ri]WL[171.0];B[qm]CR[qm]BL[639.7];W[pm]CR[pm]
WL[150.3];B[pl]CR[pl]BL[634.4];W[nj]CR[nj]WL[147.8];B[ok]CR[ok]BL[630.0]
;W[pn]CR[pn]WL[146.4];B[rn]CR[rn]BL[628.1];W[ro]CR[ro]WL[145.1];B[sm]CR[sm]
BL[626.4];W[rj]CR[rj]WL[140.9];B[rk]CR[rk]BL[624.0];W[oi]CR[oi]WL[124.8]
;B[pi]CR[pi]BL[616.6]TR[fd][ff]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: the ikken tobi (triangles) can be cut
grendel [9k?\]\: ikken = 1 point
grendel [9k?\]\: tobi = jump
grendel [9k?\]\: but really, the danger here was the forcing moves that white has
grendel [9k?\]\: White E16 is a forcing move
grendel [9k?\]\: black has to block at E17
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: thats why I should played e16?
grendel [9k?\]\: yep
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: to not allow a forcing move?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: is that a general rule?
grendel [9k?\]\: one forcing move isn't a problem
Bashan [13k\]\: depends on how urgent the move is
grendel [9k?\]\: it's that after E16, white can play F15
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: tho if I responded correctly
grendel [9k?\]\: which generates another forcing move with F13
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: before me and go that is
]
;W[ed]CR[ed]WL[90.0]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I'd like to look at how w got into my centre moyo
grendel [9k?\]\: this is what you mean... no the sequence starts here
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: aha
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: how to stop it
grendel [9k?\]\: actually Bashan, you took the key point
grendel [9k?\]\: black needed to play this point
grendel [9k?\]\: otherwise a ko develops
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I was looking at that
grendel [9k?\]\: and black doesn't want a big ko
Bashan [13k\]\: still better than an invasion
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: becuz b has more to lose?
grendel [9k?\]\: black is ahead and black doesn't have a lot of big threats
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: yea
grendel [9k?\]\: I'm not sure if the threats white has are big enough
grendel [9k?\]\: but he does have a number of them
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: so lets look at how w gets in there
]
;B[ec]CR[ec]BL[614.1];W[fe]CR[fe]WL[90.0];B[ge]CR[ge]BL[604.3];W[fg]CR[fg]
WL[90.0]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: http\://senseis.xmp.net/?BasicInstinct
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: what's basic instinct?
Bashan [13k\]\: see "Block the thrust "
]
;B[ee]CR[ee]BL[598.2]
(;W[eh]CR[eh]WL[90.0]
(;B[dd]CR[dd]BL[591.7];W[gg]CR[gg]WL[90.0]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: this was a real dilemma];B[gh]CR[gh]BL[561.9];W[ih]
CR[ih]WL[90.0]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: here's the other intrusion
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: could I have handled this better?
grendel [9k?\]\: I would have done this\: (see 150A)
]
;B[jh]CR[jh]BL[546.0];W[hh]CR[hh]WL[90.0]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: oh , did i really take 7 minutes longer than you?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: it appears so
]
(;B[hi]CR[hi]BL[504.9];W[ii]CR[ii]WL[90.0]
(;B[hj]CR[hj]BL[499.2];W[gi]CR[gi]WL[90.0];B[fi]CR[fi]BL[491.2];W[hg]CR[hg]
WL[90.0];B[ij]CR[ij]BL[486.3];W[kh]CR[kh]WL[90.0];B[ki]CR[ki]BL[480.8];W[lh]
CR[lh]WL[90.0];B[ke]CR[ke]BL[475.6];W[je]CR[je]WL[90.0];B[ie]CR[ie]BL[470.6]
;W[kg]CR[kg]WL[90.0]SQ[fc:hc][gd:hd]
C[(comparison with 164A\:)
grendel [9k?\]\: black ends up with this
grendel [9k?\]\: on top
grendel [9k?\]\: and 7 points and 1 prisoner on bottom
]
;B[kd]CR[kd]BL[468.7]
(;W[ld]WL[90.0]BM[1]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: ok, Bash, you made a mistake in here
Bashan [13k\]\: that was the first of my panic mistakes because I ran out of time
]
(;B[df]CR[df]BL[459.0];W[eg]CR[eg]WL[90.0];B[cf]CR[cf]BL[456.8];W[bf]CR[bf]
WL[90.0];B[cg]CR[cg]BL[447.8]
(;W[ch]CR[ch]WL[90.0];B[bg]CR[bg]BL[444.8]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: bummer
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: sorry
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I was feeling vengeful from the last episode
Bashan [13k\]\: sure, np!
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: all in go is fair!
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: (Stevie Wonder song)
Bashan [13k\]\: all but escaping!
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: true
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: we hate escapers]
;W[ag]CR[ag]WL[90.0];B[ae]CR[ae]BL[429.2];W[bh]CR[bh]WL[90.0];B[af]CR[af]
BL[418.6];W[bm]CR[bm]WL[90.0]
(;B[bn]CR[bn]BL[359.5]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: the dreaded empty triangle
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i try so hard not to
Bashan [13k\]\: me too, but in the endgame it's ok
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I didnt know that
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: thats a relief of sorts
grendel [9k?\]\: argh, I so want to talk now
----
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: whadya think of that one Gren?
grendel [9k?\]\: not good
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: becuz?
grendel [9k?\]\: show me?
Bashan [13k\]\: yes, here (see 185A)
]
(;W[am]CR[am]WL[90.0]
C[(during the game\:)
grendel [9k?\]\: and you got so lucky
(see 185A)
]
;B[an]CR[an]BL[344.9];W[kp]CR[kp]WL[90.0];B[lq]CR[lq]BL[341.1];W[ib]CR[ib]
WL[90.0];B[hb]CR[hb]BL[338.8];W[jb]CR[jb]WL[90.0];B[on]CR[on]BL[321.1];W[oo]
CR[oo]WL[90.0];B[qo]CR[qo]BL[306.2];W[po]CR[po]WL[90.0];B[qp]CR[qp]BL[305.0]
;W[rp]CR[rp]WL[90.0]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: oh, so close
grendel [9k?\]\: needed to clamp, not atari
(What did you mean?)]
;B[qq]CR[qq]BL[302.8];W[rq]CR[rq]WL[90.0]
C[thewall [10k\]\: R2 
];B[qr]CR[qr]BL[296.2];W[rr]CR[rr]WL[90.0];B[ps]CR[ps]
BL[290.6]
C[thewall [10k\]\: O_=
];W[qs]CR[qs]WL[90.0]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: no time
Bashan [13k\]\: i'm panicking
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: dont panic
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: just feel mild anxiety
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: its only a game
]
;B[rs]CR[rs]BL[277.7];W[ss]CR[ss]WL[90.0];B[pq]CR[pq]BL[272.2];W[qs]CR[qs]
WL[90.0];B[op]CR[op]BL[268.6];W[no]CR[no]WL[90.0];B[rs]CR[rs]BL[260.1]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: white needed to fight that ko
];W[lm]CR[lm]WL[90.0];B[sr]
CR[sr]BL[256.4]
C[thewall [10k\]\: T2 is not nessessary
grendel [9k?\]\: not really, but it doesn't hurt
]
;W[gb]CR[gb]WL[90.0];B[ha]CR[ha]BL[230.1];W[gf]CR[gf]WL[90.0];B[fe]CR[fe]
BL[226.9];W[hd]CR[hd]WL[90.0];B[hc]CR[hc]BL[220.9];W[sf]CR[sf]WL[90.0];B[he]
CR[he]BL[209.4];W[ds]CR[ds]WL[90.0];B[cr]CR[cr]BL[182.5];W[cs]CR[cs]WL[90.0]
;B[bs]CR[bs]BL[179.6];W[es]CR[es]WL[90.0];B[ar]CR[ar]BL[177.5]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: B3 not A2
]BM[1];W[bq]CR[bq]WL[90.0]
C[thewall [10k\]\: yup, that was what i was thinking
];B[br]CR[br]BL[159.8]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: i probably won't succeed
Bashan [13k\]\: but i don't have time to count it out
thewall [10k\]\: B4 
grendel [9k?\]\: or connect
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]WL[90.0];B[lf]CR[lf]BL[145.4]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: hmm... nope, not necessary
(What did you mean? This move or connect?)
]
;W[gs]CR[gs]WL[90.0];B[hs]CR[hs]BL[141.4];W[go]CR[go]WL[90.0]TR[fr]
C[thewall [10k\]\: F2 
grendel [9k?\]\: F2!
];B[ah]CR[ah]BL[137.2]TR[fr]
C[thewall [10k\]\: F2 F2 F2 F2 F2 F2 F2 F2  ^^
];W[bi]CR[bi]WL[90.0];B[ai]
CR[ai]BL[134.3];W[aj]CR[aj]WL[90.0];B[ag]CR[ag]BL[132.9];W[di]CR[di]WL[90.0]
;B[dk]CR[dk]BL[124.1]TR[fr]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: neither of them see it...
];W[dl]CR[dl]WL[90.0];B[sc]
CR[sc]BL[121.4];W[sb]CR[sb]WL[90.0];B[sj]CR[sj]BL[107.1];W[si]CR[si]WL[90.0]
;B[sk]CR[sk]BL[105.5];W[qi]CR[qi]WL[90.0];B[pj]CR[pj]BL[102.8];W[gp]CR[gp]
WL[90.0];B[jr]CR[jr]BL[99.0];W[ll]CR[ll]WL[90.0];B[ss]CR[ss]BL[96.4]
C[thewall [10k\]\: emmm
grendel [9k?\]\: Ersatz is worried about a late game ko
]
;W[ng]CR[ng]WL[90.0];B[se]CR[se]BL[93.7];W[rg]CR[rg]WL[90.0];B[li]CR[li]
BL[91.0];W[mi]CR[mi]WL[90.0];B[jp]CR[jp]BL[90.0];W[jo]CR[jo]WL[90.0];B[nn]
CR[nn]BL[90.0]
C[thewall [10k\]\: good yose for b
];W[mo]CR[mo]WL[90.0];B[ph]CR[ph]BL[90.0]
;W[pg]CR[pg]WL[90.0];B[lg]CR[lg]BL[90.0]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: not bad, B got lucky once or twice
];W[kf]CR[kf]WL[90.0]
TR[fr]
C[thewall [10k\]\: B doesnt need to play f2, he s already won
grendel [9k?\]\: I know
grendel [9k?\]\: it's just a move that's screaming to be made...
]
;B[le]CR[le]BL[90.0];W[mg]CR[mg]WL[90.0];B[ia]CR[ia]BL[90.0];W[lb]CR[lb]
WL[90.0];B[ja]CR[ja]BL[90.0];W[ka]CR[ka]WL[90.0]
C[thewall [10k\]\: ?
];B[gd]CR[gd]BL[90.0]
C[thewall [10k\]\: ???
]BM[2];W[]WL[60.0];B[]BL[90.0]
TW[la:na][pa:sa][kb][mb:mc][rb][lc][sg:sh][nh:ni][rh][ci][bj:bl][ak:al][em:eo][jm:kn][fn:fo][in][ln][fr:fs]
TB[aa:gb][ac:cc][fc:gc][ad][ed][hd][od][be:de][pe][bf][gi:gk][ej][fk][hk:ik][pk:qk][nl:ol][sl][rm][sn:sq][ao:bq][ro:rr][cp:cq][kr:ks][mr:ms][pr][as][is:js][ls][ns:os][qs]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: thanks
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: it was an interesting game
thewall [10k\]\: GG
thewall [10k\]\: F2 
thewall [10k\]\: SNAPBACK

grendel [9k?\]\: shall we review?
Bashan [13k\]\: wow, very deeating for me
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: sure
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: deeating?
Bashan [13k\]\: ~~ defeating  \:-)
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: oh

grendel [9k?\]\: Bashan, you were playing well until you got into byo-youmi
grendel [9k?\]\: so I think you panicked about the time
Bashan [13k\]\: yes,
Bashan [13k\]\: i should learn how to think faster
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: we should probably all play slower
grendel [9k?\]\: no, 30 seconds is plenty of time for local decisions
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I must admit tho
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I dont like to play slow
Bashan [13k\]\: yes, it should be
grendel [9k?\]\: 30 seconds is really short for global decisions
grendel [9k?\]\: so try to make your global decisions (or alternatives) while your opponent is playing
Bashan [13k\]\: well, i'm a fan of Fisher time
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: whats that?
Bashan [13k\]\: http\://senseis.xmp.net/?KGSIssueFischerDiscussion
Bashan [13k\]\: (I'm Sebastian on that website)
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: as in Bobby?
Bashan [13k\]\: yep

grendel [9k?\]\: and don't forget you can always play a "throw-away" move if you're running out of time
Bashan [13k\]\: what's a throwaway move?
grendel [9k?\]\: playing an atari on an important stone
Bashan [13k\]\: OK, such as move 121 in the famous game\: http\://senseis.xmp.net/?masterofgo
grendel [9k?\]\: I know of the game, but I'm not sure what the exact move was

Ersatz888 [15k\]\: F2?
grendel [9k?\]\: F2 is a snapback for black
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: awwwww
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I want my snapback
grendel [9k?\]\: or, playing inside of a group in a way that must be answered, but isn't going to suceed
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: now!
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I did look at it
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: but missed it
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: wow
]
)
(;W[an]CR[an]
(;B[ao]CR[ao];W[bp]CR[bp]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: but that's not so grave
Bashan [13k\]\: W could have played B4 right away
(see 186C)

grendel [9k?\]\: what do you do here, Ersatz?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: A7]
(;B[am]CR[am];W[cp]CR[cp]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: yea
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: point taken
])
(;B[cp]CR[cp];W[am]CR[am];B[bo]CR[bo];W[bq]CR[bq]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I knew it was wrong somehow
grendel [9k?\]\: black now has eyespace problems
]
))
(;B[bo]CR[bo];W[bq]CR[bq];B[cq]CR[cq]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: ugly])
(;B[bp]CR[bp]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: oh, B4 not B5, sorry
grendel [9k?\]\: I misread your message
Bashan [13k\]\: np
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I gotta call it a night guys
grendel [9k?\]\: this works
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: thanks bash
Bashan [13k\]\: Well, that was a great review!
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: thanks gren for re4view
grendel [9k?\]\: but B6 is still pointless
Bashan [13k\]\: Thanks a lot
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: you dont have to stop
grendel [9k?\]\: no, I should sleep as well
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: lets def play again Bash
grendel [9k?\]\: I'm going to Alexandria for brunch tomorrow morning
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: where Alex?
grendel [9k?\]\: I'm going to eat at a restaurant named "Bilbo Baggins"
grendel [9k?\]\: Alexandria, VA
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: sounds hobbity
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: ahright
Bashan [13k\]\: oh, nice name - do they also have a good library?
grendel [9k?\]\: yep, I gotta try it... no, but they have wines and beers from around the world
grendel [9k?\]\: Well, I've never been, they may have a library
Bashan [13k\]\: OK, have fun, then!
grendel [9k?\]\: g'night
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: night all
Bashan [13k\]\: Thanks a lot!
grendel [9k?\]\: no problem
]
)))
(;B[bo]CR[bo]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: right response then?
grendel [9k?\]\: this empty triangle is ok
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: ok
]
)
(;B[bp]CR[bp]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: this is even safer
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: yea
]))
(;W[bg]CR[bg];B[ch]CR[ch];W[bh]CR[bh];B[ci]CR[ci];W[di]CR[di];B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[bj]CR[bj];B[ai]CR[ai];W[aj]CR[aj];B[gf]CR[gf];W[ah]CR[ah];B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: Oh, I see
Bashan [13k\]\: thx
]))
(;B[bf]CR[bf]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: what Ersatz should have done is this
grendel [9k?\]\: this clamp here is a tesuji
grendel [9k?\]\: it's a great move

Bashan [13k\]\: yes, i tried that somewhere at the top, too
]
(;W[af]CR[af];B[df]CR[df];W[eg]CR[eg];B[cf]CR[cf]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: yep
grendel [9k?\]\: oh, nvm, this is still bad for white
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: right
]
)
(;W[ae]CR[ae]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i don't think that works
grendel [9k?\]\: well, this is very bad for white
]
;B[df]CR[df];W[eg]CR[eg];B[cf]CR[cf])))
(;W[cg]))
(;B[ij]CR[ij]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: you were afraid of empty 3angle
grendel [9k?\]\: not playing this was also a mistake
grendel [9k?\]\: white's in atari
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: where did I play?
grendel [9k?\]\: Bash, can you give it to Er?
]
;W[hg]CR[hg];B[hj]CR[hj]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: G10 
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: g10 for who?
];W[hf]CR[hf]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: H10 also works
];B[ie]CR[ie];W[he]CR[he];B[hd]CR[hd]TR[fc:hc][gd]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: let's compare the two results
(compare with 179)
grendel [9k?\]\: black has 4 points on top
grendel [9k?\]\: and 8 points on bottom
grendel [9k?\]\: so, I was wrong, yours is better by 1 point
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: not a big deal
]
))
(;B[hg]CR[hg];W[ie]CR[ie];B[hf]CR[hf];W[he]CR[he];B[gf]CR[gf]
(;W[eg]CR[eg];B[je]CR[je]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: which doesn't work for white
grendel [9k?\]\: so white has to do\: (see 161C)
]
)
(;W[je]CR[je];B[hd]CR[hd];W[eg]CR[eg])))
(;B[gg]CR[gg];W[fe]CR[fe];B[eg]CR[eg];W[ee]CR[ee]
(;B[fc]CR[fc];W[dg]CR[dg];B[fg]CR[fg]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: oh much better
grendel [9k?\]\: this is the simplest
grendel [9k?\]\: assuming that white doesn't fight the ko
]
)
(;B[dg]CR[dg];W[fc]CR[fc];B[gd]CR[gd];W[fb]CR[fb]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: this is a fight
grendel [9k?\]\: black is probably ok
grendel [9k?\]\: but black is ahead
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i think so
Bashan [13k\]\: still looks favonious for B
grendel [9k?\]\: why risk it?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: exactly
]
)))
(;W[eg]CR[eg]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: I think white should have played this
Bashan [13k\]\: hmm
]
;B[gg]CR[gg];W[fe]CR[fe]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: now the ko is more favorable for white
Bashan [13k\]\: i see
Bashan [13k\]\: otherwise it's hanami ko
grendel [9k?\]\: though black can probably just connect at G14 and be ok
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: whats hanami?
Bashan [13k\]\: a flower- view ko
Bashan [13k\]\: good for one player
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: ummmmm
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: whats a flower view ko?
grendel [9k?\]\: an inequal ko
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: sorry
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: so why flowers?
grendel [9k?\]\: where one player has a lot to gain but risks very little
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: condolence?
grendel [9k?\]\: Japanese has lots of metaphors
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: yes
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I love em
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: or flowers as in sweet for one player?
grendel [9k?\]\: I think it's more akin to the ritual of flower watching
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I see
grendel [9k?\]\: where people go out and watch the cherry blossoms and relax]
))
(;W[ih]CR[ih])
(;W[jh]CR[jh]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I feared that
grendel [9k?\]\: something like this becomes nasty
]
)
(;W[jg]TR[mf][jg][mh]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: although, for shape, I guess it should be here
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: why there instead?
grendel [9k?\]\: long horse-head
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: and long horse head makes best shape?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: oh yea
grendel [9k?\]\: better shape than a 2 point jump]
))
(;B[jg]CR[jg]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: I think this makes nicer
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: can w invate South now?

]
;W[il]CR[il];B[ik]CR[ik];W[hk]CR[hk];B[hl]CR[hl];W[jk]CR[jk];B[ij]CR[ij]
;W[jj]CR[jj]
(;B[ji]CR[ji]
C[(can w invade South now?)
grendel [9k?\]\: not really
]
(;W[im]CR[im]
C[(this and the following move are a tewari analysis to be compared with 124B - assuming W would move here.)
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: same thing i think
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: just done in different order
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: right?
]
;B[jl]CR[jl])
(;W[]
C[If W tenukis ...];B[im]CR[im];W[jl]CR[jl];B[hm]CR[hm];W[in]CR[in];B[jm]
CR[jm]))
(;B[jl]CR[jl];W[im]CR[im];B[ji]CR[ji]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: thats a bit better I guess
])))
(;B[ib]CR[ib]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: I think this is the move you should have made instead of connecting at K16
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: becuz?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: more points duh
grendel [9k?\]\: I don't think you really need to worry about the cut
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: w can't cut there?
grendel [9k?\]\: and this also sets up a monkey jump against white
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: true
grendel [9k?\]\: I'm dubious of white managing to cut
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: but does w have a cut at j16?
]
))
(;B[qq]CR[qq]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I eventually did you know
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: right
]
))
(;W[ss]CR[ss]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: if we assume that white plays elsewhere ...

];B[ko]CR[ko]
;W[kn]TR[kn][mn][lo][mp]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: yes, i like the trumpet
grendel [9k?\]\: also known as a lion's mouth]
(;B[jn]CR[jn];W[jo]CR[jo]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: I don't think a double hane benefits black here
])
(;B[jo]CR[jo]TR[kn][mn][lo][mp];W[jn]CR[jn]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: ... so you're still out]))
(;W[jn]CR[jn])
(;W[ho]CR[ho]))
(;W[mr]CR[mr]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: does that work for w?
grendel [9k?\]\: I think it does
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
(;W[kr]CR[kr];B[lp]CR[lp];W[kq]CR[kq];B[kp]CR[kp];W[js]TR[gr][js]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: white's now connected on the bottom, if nothing else
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i dunno
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: how so?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: play it out pls
grendel [9k?\]\: the marked stones are a monkey jump
]
(;B[hr]CR[hr];W[hs]CR[hs])
(;B[jr]CR[jr];W[ks]CR[ks]
(;B[ir]CR[ir];W[is]CR[is];B[hr]CR[hr];W[hs]CR[hs])
(;B[is]CR[is]
(;W[ir]CR[ir];B[hr]CR[hr];W[hs]CR[hs];B[iq]CR[iq];W[is]CR[is])
(;W[ms]CR[ms])
(;W[ls]CR[ls]
C[Bashan [13k\]\: sorry, meant K2
grendel [9k?\]\: sorry, right
grendel [9k?\]\: I forgot about the atari
grendel [9k?\]\: one of my bad habits, esp. when I'm not playing
grendel [9k?\]\: sorry - so white doesn't connect
]
;B[ir]CR[ir];W[nr]CR[nr]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: white still lives
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: so small tho
grendel [9k?\]\: but not necessarily as good
]
;B[or]CR[or];W[ns]CR[ns];B[qr]CR[qr]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: because of this
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: bad for w in my opinion
grendel [9k?\]\: yesh
]
))))
(;W[lp]CR[lp])
(;W[nr]CR[nr];B[lp]CR[lp];W[kq]CR[kq];B[kp]CR[kp];W[kr]CR[kr];B[jr]CR[jr]
;W[ls]CR[ls];B[or]CR[or];W[oq]CR[oq]
(;B[pq]CR[pq]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: this works for white
];W[op]CR[op];B[pr]CR[pr])
(;B[mo]CR[mo])
(;B[pr]CR[pr];W[ns]CR[ns]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: well, black Q2 is still disquieting...
]))))
(;B[in]CR[in];W[mm]CR[mm];B[ll]CR[ll];W[pm]CR[pm];B[pl]CR[pl];W[on]CR[on]
;B[ok]CR[ok]))
(;B[oa]CR[oa]TR[pb:qb][qc:qd]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: unless I've misread the board, white's invasion will die unless it can connect out
grendel [9k?\]\: these make an "L in the corner"
grendel [9k?\]\: which you can look up on SL
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: is that dead?
grendel [9k?\]\: I'm pretty sure it's unconditionally dead
(later\:)
Bashan [13k\]\: i can't find it on SL - 
grendel [9k?\]\: one sec
Bashan [13k\]\: - does it have another name?
grendel [9k?\]\: http\://senseis.xmp.net/?L1Group
Bashan [13k\]\: you mean "Third L+1 Group? "
grendel [9k?\]\: no, it wasn't the 3rd
Bashan [13k\]\: well, the 4th, then ;-)
grendel [9k?\]\: actually, I think it's not an "L-group"
grendel [9k?\]\: the leg is going the other direction
Bashan [13k\]\: yes, it's a J \:-)
grendel [9k?\]\: it has the potential of becoming one of the L1 groups

]
;W[re]CR[re];B[rf]CR[rf]
(;W[sd]CR[sd];B[pa]CR[pa];W[qa]CR[qa]
(;B[sb]CR[sb];W[rb]CR[rb]
(;B[sf]CR[sf];W[sc]CR[sc]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I dont see it yet
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i think I went the wrong way here
grendel [9k?\]\: sorry
grendel [9k?\]\: wrong play inside \:)
]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
(;W[se]CR[se];B[rc]CR[rc])
(;W[rc]CR[rc];B[se]CR[se];W[sa]CR[sa]))
(;B[sc]CR[sc]))
(;B[rc]CR[rc];W[rd]CR[rd];B[rb]CR[rb]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: and white should be dead
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I was very concerned with living
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: not killing
Bashan [13k\]\: so my pacifist propaganda did work!
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: haha
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I preferred to live and let live
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I was very happy to have lived here
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: it wasn't an easy kill
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: and if I screwed up
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I'd probably die

]
))
(;W[rd]CR[rd];B[pa]CR[pa];W[qa]CR[qa];B[sb]CR[sb];W[rb]CR[rb];B[sc]CR[sc]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: this is a ko for life, I believe
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: k
grendel [9k?\]\: but I think I made a mistake as black

]
)))
(;W[qb]CR[qb]TR[pf]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: now, white will live ...
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd];W[pb]CR[pb]
C[grendel [9k?\]\:  ... either by connecting underneath
grendel [9k?\]\: like this
]
)
(;B[pb]CR[pb];W[re]CR[re]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: ... or by playing this keima
Bashan [13k\]\: makes sense
grendel [9k?\]\: are you familiar with this variant of the 3-3?
Bashan [13k\]\: does the keima take advantage of R12 ?
Bashan [13k\]\: not really
grendel [9k?\]\: no, you need the keima to build enough eyespace
grendel [9k?\]\: and, in this situation, it threatens to connect with your weak group
Bashan [13k\]\: so it does use its aji
grendel [9k?\]\: that's just an extra \:)
]
;
AE[qh]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: even if the R12 stone was missing
grendel [9k?\]\: the invasion will live
Bashan [13k\]\: got it, thx
grendel [9k?\]\: try playing out the variations sometime
grendel [9k?\]\: eventually, white will need to play T18, or extend to S14
]
)))
(;B[dn]CR[dn];W[en]CR[en];B[eo]CR[eo];W[fo]CR[fo])
(;B[rm]CR[rm]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: too far?
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: oh I see
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: nvm
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: it stinks
]
)
(;B[ne]CR[ne]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: gren
grendel [9k?\]\: this is still more valuable for black
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: I dont think b can run out there
grendel [9k?\]\: you don't need to
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: you mean to make the extra eyes out there?
grendel [9k?\]\: you will either be able to run out
grendel [9k?\]\: or use forcing moves against white's weak group to carve out eyespace
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: lets go on
]
))
(;W[dn]CR[dn]
(;B[dl]CR[dl];W[dm]CR[dm];B[dk]CR[dk];W[di]CR[di])
(;B[cm]CR[cm];W[dm]CR[dm])))
(;B[hq]CR[hq]
C[Ersatz888 [15k\]\: i knew it
grendel [9k?\]\: much better like this
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: it forces me to defend on both sides
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: yep
]
))
(;W[ek]CR[ek]
C[grendel [9k?\]\: I think this would have been better, but it definately looks like a fight
Ersatz888 [15k\]\: to the death
]
))
(;B[ne]CR[ne])
(;B[me]CR[me]))